We Trained AI on Stolen Work... And I'm More Creative Than Ever | Vancouver AI Meetup March 2026

0:00Incoming transmission from the future. Vancouver AI community meetup. I'm going to share a couple things here tonight. Um, a little bit about what I think we're all about and what makes us different around here and and I want to tell you a little bit about some of the trips I've been on recently and stuff like that.

0:16Um, so, you know, most of us have been a part of a lot of AI conversations lately and I find that almost every AI conversation I'm a part of falls into one of these two camps. You got like the boosters on one side that are like get on board, it's the future. Ships already sailing and if you're not on board like you're going to get left behind. It's going to, you know, you should be worried about your job.

0:36You know, all all these all these things. If you don't adopt AI, you should adopt it everywhere all the time fast as you can. Um, a lot of these people are in finance, you know, they're venture capitalists, they're they're they work at startups, they're involved in the space somehow. Um, and they have a vested interest in in saying that, right?

0:54And then there's another camp is like the doomers, you know, and this is the people who are like, well, what about the power and water and what about the fact that it's been stolen on all the work of mankind and oh man, have you seen that it's biased and uh and it's owned by just a few companies and and you know, we've just consoli- they should power into a few hands and and I think that ultimately both of these positions are kind of lazy. Um, the first one neglects all of these important things that we got to think about about the societies we want and the lives we want and the futures we want.

1:23And the complete resister camp doesn't tell us what to do about this moment that we're in right now. It just lets you be a purist and kind of hold your values close, but it doesn't tell you what field to tell your children to go into in the future, what jobs are left, where to engage or invest your energy or how to prepare yourself for what's coming. And so, I ultimately want to examine kind of both of these positions for a second and you may have heard me say I think the answer and I think what makes this community unique is we're walking forward with both hands full.

1:55We're walking forward critiquing and holding to account and interrogating the things that we got a problem with and that we're also, you know, investigating the transformational power of this kind of stuff to change our own creative practices, our careers, build new companies, build new robots, explore all sorts of capabilities that haven't been possible before.

2:18AI has been stolen trained on the stolen work of all mankind is full of misogyny, homophobia, racism, transphobia and I'm more creative, powerful, productive, and curious than I've ever been in my whole life and both of those things are true. That's what's going on in this moment right now for a lot of people.

2:39I want to stop for a second before we continue and I want to give voice to some of these things. These are some of the ones that I could think of. Lawrence, are you busy? No. Will you take this mic from Kevin, the one that he tells you to take? What are some of the things that you guys are hearing that aren't on this list that are maybe a little bit deeper that are kind of like >> Yeah, yeah. Um, you're going to go here You know what? Um, you know what? [snorts] You go back to your robot, I'll do it.

3:07>> [laughter] >> Um, let's talk a little bit about the problems. Maybe some of the ones that aren't on this list. Does anyone got something they want to Kush? What am I missing in terms of the resist bad things category? >> cuz I got to read the list. Uh, So, what is he what is he missing? What is he missing from the list? What's the list about again? Just tell me.

3:30The fears. All right. Um, You are a [ __ ] Claude Coding. No, I'm not. You know I'm not. You know, you know I [ __ ] hate Anthropic like a [ __ ] [ __ ] Um, uh Loss of attention. Yeah. [ __ ] Anthropic. That's that's what I [ __ ] feel.

3:47>> [laughter] >> What [snorts] are some of the things you're hearing in your workplaces around adoption? Why people are not interested. We're coming here and then to Catherine Warren. The slop. So much slop. Thank you for inviting me. So much slop. I We had a drinks at the base side way back in the day when you were running for office.

4:07Um, Catherine. The slop. Uh, concerns about data sovereignty in particular for indigenous people. Yeah. You know what? You know what? I'm just pause right there. So, I was in Banff last week at the National Summit on AI with Evan Solomon and a bunch of other people and I was going to use this talk to surface some things from that week and you've started to do it. So, one of the things that was on everybody's mind was sovereignty.

4:31However, it really meant a lot of different things to a lot of different people and so I just wanted to kind of report back on what the national conversation on sovereignty is. So, on one hand you got Mark Carney and Evan Solomon talking about sovereignty in terms of freeness from American pressure and leverage. On another hand you have what you're talking about, indigenous data sovereignty, being in control of their own data with the ability to profit off of it and know how it's used and stuff like that.

5:01Um, in the first camp of the kind of ministers and their take on AI sovereignty, um, some of it's just like leverage against America, but some of it's forming the You may have heard we signed a bunch of AI deals with Germany, Australia, the UAE, and a few other people in the last 1 month.

5:18These deals relate to Carney's deal and Solomon's deal to to make a coalition of middle powers that have a third alternative to the China-America gun to their head race to AI. Where everyone's just releasing whatever they can as fast as they can, as much as they can without testing in a way that makes it prohibitive for a lot of people to adopt that kind of uh >> [snorts] >> race that's going on or whatever and so that that's one of So, I just wanted to point out that the sovereignty conversation is a little bit confusing for me right now because it means different things in different places. It either means like anti-America, middle power coalition, indigenous

5:53sovereignty and right to profit and own own data and I think probably other Oh, one more thing. When it comes to the Canadian AI sovereignty, it breaks down again. There's people that just think like Telus and Nvidia data centers located in Canada is AI sovereignty in Canada. And there's other people who think, no, open source on the edge compute in communities with GPU clusters at, you know, not hyperscaled things, but that this is truly the path to Canadian sovereignty around AI decoupling from that Silicon Valley hyperscaler business model or whatever. So, um, thanks for bringing that up. I hope that is informative to some of you all who are wondering about the current national conversation on sovereignty. James.

6:40Uh, what it's doing to kids' brains. What is it doing to kids' brains that you hear? Their development. Um, more just like their creativity isn't as high as it used to be. Like they can't imagine that new things. They're always referencing something else that already exists. Coming your way. Jen. Jen Moss. Um, just the lack of uh the overvaluing of efficiency and the undervaluing of chaos and the lack of um um friction in the creative process. The lack of valuing of friction in the creative process.

7:18>> [applause] >> Kevin, can you cut to the next slide? One more. One more. I think we are doing it wrong. I think that we're hyper automating the art part of the process while, you know, and when we should be instead embracing that friction as a way to truly, you know, um, expand our creativity and our art.

7:43Um, anyway, Kevin, go back a couple, please, but is there anyone else who kind of wants to talk who wants to give voice to? I've got a mic back here. I've got a mic back here if anyone back here >> Oh, yeah. Alex, let's keep to one mic for right now. Hold on.

7:55>> Sounds good. No. >> Climate. Um, no, Eileen, I want you to say it for the record. Climate. Climate. Um, resource depletion you know, complete uncontrolled buildout without the consideration of of that the social good, right? It's Yeah, this is Depleting the social good. Sure, sure. So, at first you said climate and then you said social good and I think both are worth talking about, right? You know, it's like in certain communities where these hyperscale data centers are being built, um, communities are having to compete with these factories for water or for power and the result is that the cost is going up, you know, there's not like droughts at the moment and things, but the cost is going up for a lot of

8:41people around these things. Um, yeah. Let's get I'm going to do these last two and then I'm going to keep going. Yeah, I just want to echo what she said. Um, in BC, the government is now having to tell AI um, companies that they cannot have any more electricity because we've already allocated more than enough >> Yeah. and the the astonishing amount of energy in this endeavor is just amazing.

9:10Yeah, um, officially what happened is Adrian Dix and David Eby put out a an extension to the Bitcoin mining moratorium that had outlawed Bitcoin mining in BC data centers. And what they did is they put together a a regulatory bid process where 100 megawatts per year are going to be allocated for AI projects inside data centers and no more. And most of those 100 megawatts for this season cuz I went to all the BC Hydro calls, um, I've already been allocated to grandfathered in projects.

9:40So, actually, uh for those of you who are on the uh more like resister side and concerns around climate, your local representatives are representing you well. They have put in some pretty stern and strict regulations. Like it's very hard to build an AI data center British Columbia at all whatsoever. There will only be 100 megawatts per year. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the [ __ ] that everybody else is building. And um Isn't that NIMBYism? No, birds are taking up. Yeah, it's just good news. We can talk uh >> [clears throat] >> I said that if you are on the resistor side, that if you have concerns about the power and water usage, then your

10:18then your representatives are representing you well. Your point is or I don't want to say your point. The the the the the alternative perspective, the people that are like this is crap that we shouldn't be doing this is like, well, what do we use to power the in Where do we buy those tokens from that power the innovation that powers the companies of the future? And I actually think that there's a middle ground where we could have like indigenous-owned green hydropower data centers that cost 15% more than the tokens coming out of Silicon Valley, but that a lot of people's company would be willing to pay for that because of the ethical stuff that otherwise prevents them from

10:51engaging in the situation. To say, it's a complicated dialogue, Alvaro. Model collapse, not just for the AIs, but for us. It's our own cognition is more more dependent upon artificial intelligence, which is now responsible for arguably a large amount of what's out there. Intelligence collapse, you mean that we're going to get smarter here to cliff and then we're all going to get dumb like Idiocracy styles? It It's the gray goo scenario.

11:22It's photo copies of photo copies all the way down. I'm just in the neighborhood, so why don't you get one in two? Okay, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. >> [clears throat] >> What about the dangers using AI for like military applications? >> No, that's not devil's advocate. No, no. I mean, I'm a I don't know. It's like so much happiness in the room, right?

11:44Uh And then the uh I mean, it's always the [ __ ] up [laughter] [ __ ] so Well, well, I'll go I'll go even further. Hackers using these tools to [ __ ] [ __ ] up. So, I There you go. Yo, I absolutely I'm glad you brought that point up. So, Minister Solomon and Mark Carney feel like a big part of Canada's AI future is killer robots.

12:09Despite the fact we've got Geoffrey Hinton out as our Canadian AI Nobel Prize laureate in physics who quit Google for that very sad reason. Um if you look at even other organizations in British Columbia, they are retooling all their messaging around what do you call it? Dual-use defense AI. Like they're hoping to get the contracts and bring them here. There There There is a consortium of people that are putting forth British Columbia as the place to do that.

12:37Whereas many people in this room like Philippe and Tony I can't be here tonight, locked out from DigiBC, Loki from Circle Innovation, myself, we're trying to put forward a vision for British Columbia AI center of excellence federally funded in the creative industries, you know, that supports film, television, animation, special effects, the digital industries that prop up our whole city.

12:58Um there's three federal centers of AI in Canada, Mila, the Vector Institute, and Ami in Toronto, Montreal, and Edmonton respectively. We don't have one because we have not been able to come together necessarily and tell a cohesive story about what why we're unique and the economic impact that something like that would have here. I should have named Catherine Warren in that other list of people who is also pulling for a BC AI center of excellence in the creative industries.

13:26But um we're doing that work. That was a big part of what we did last week at at Banff. Uh I was there with a couple goals. One of my goals was to introduce ourselves. We're a 9-month-old nonprofit. We've been having events for 2 years, but this was the highest level conversation. It was um Screenwriters Guild of Canada, the National Film Board of Canada, CBC, the Indigenous Film Office, Telefilm Canada, all sorts of folks like that. And um And so I was there to introduce ourselves and I got to do that. I got to meet Minister Solomon and um Philippe, this ain't the moment, but me and Philippe got to demo his lab's open-source software to the ministers.

14:06It was quite incredible. Uh Ana Serrano, the Chancellor of OCAD U, the Ontario College of Art and Design University, she moderated a panel on community, creativity, and culture. And in her opening remarks, she named one organization at this whole thing. She named our organization, the BC AI ecosystem. She said that we are representative of an emerging hybrid, grassroots, community-based regional organization that is impacting national policy around AI.

14:36So, that's the that's what we're getting up to around here. And that was um I didn't know she was going to say that. I do have it recorded, so I can prove it. >> [laughter] >> Um really really blew me out of the water. Um before we go on, one of my pet peeves in this whole thing is this talk about bias in AI. Like let's name it. It's not just bias. And when you call it that, it's easy to sweep it under the rug. It is misogyny.

14:59It is homophobia. It's racism. It's transphobia. It's all sorts of embedded, crusty, old, ancient worldviews that are um still right there into the system. And there's ways that we can um work around those things. And And that's how we're able to walk forward both hands full like I'm saying. And I'm going to I'm going to share a little bit about those tonight and ask you to to think about them too a little bit. So, when someone says bias, if they're willing to sweep it under the rug, call them out. Say, "What are you talking about when you mean bias?" And get them to unpack it a little bit.

15:31Both hands full, that's where we're going. All right, Kev. Keep going, please. >> [snorts] >> I think that due to the way that universities and jobs have worked for the last couple hundred years, we've hyper-optimized to become human encyclopedias, human spreadsheets, human calculators, and let atrophy probably many of the things that are like most innately unique about us being human.

15:58Our ability to empathize, our ability to be embodied. I mean, like pay attention to your body. It's the one thing you got right now that these intelligences don't have, you know. Many of them are probably smarter [clears throat] than a lot of us in the room, but they don't got this. And so, I've been asking myself a lot around a lot what that means and and how I can um focus on some of those embodied characteristics of my humanity in the face of, you know, synthetic everything.

16:24Um so, this may be a moment where we get to move back to some of Maybe they'll be our children who don't have their heads full of the exact same Excel spreadsheet calculation formulas and how to write them or some other archaic [ __ ] Even like 15 coding languages, you know, like drops up a lot You spend a lot of time learning that stuff, drops up a lot of brain space. What are the other ways that we might use our minds and our intuitions and our creativity in the future?

16:48Um I want to talk a little bit about self-knowledge. And And you could think of If you're not super introspective psychologically, you can think about this around your career. But this for me is the answer to a lot of um Well, first of all, the bias, all those things that we were talking about, but also um kind of like the This is where I embed my heart and my head and my values and my worldview into the machines.

17:13So, um you know, like a lot of you guys have taken my AI courses and stuff, but one of the things that we talk about a lot is like having this knowledge base or this second brain. And what I've been thinking about lately, someone called it like a a portable personality document briefcase or something like that. But essentially, you know, having AI analyze a your blog from the last 10 years or your thesis that you did a couple years ago in university or something like that and start to have it extract from that your writing style. Say, "Hey, I'm going to hire a ghostwriter next week. Analyze these 30 docs that I think are awesome

17:45and help me build a a job description for my ghostwriter that's working next week." And feed that into an AI as an assistant, you know. And And then start to ask yourself like, "What other things could I add to that that would continue to imbue myself into these machines?" And so, like another one that I have started to do is like a worldview and perspectives document. I'll analyze the same interviews or podcasts I've done or blog posts and be like, "Help me pull out from here what I value, what I care about, what I think and why and how I make decisions and stuff like that." And now this AI like knows how to write like

18:18me and kind of knows how to think like me a little bit and what I care about. Um From there, I've gone on to build like glossaries and anti-glossaries. Here's words I use. Here's anti-racist, anti-colonial words I never use. When you're writing, write Use my style guide, but also check it against glossary and anti-glossary at the editing phase to make sure we're on the right track.

18:40And then I add all sorts of other stuff to it along the way. You really need to talk? Go for it, Jen. Just a quick question. You can't however How old are you? I'm 49. Okay, so you got 49 years to figure out your self-knowledge and your voice. What about people who are like 14?

18:58Isn't this the question of the moment? Isn't this the question of the moment? I would love to see I'm just going to go there with you. I would love to see schools change a lot. I would love to see students given AI tutors when they start middle school. Something that's like a portfolio/tutor.

19:17That all these make-work assignments that are [ __ ] [ __ ] where they're just doing exercises so the teacher can grade them and throw them away. That doesn't exist anymore. Instead, you come up with something you care about at the beginning, you know. You're like, "I want to build this nonprofit or this company or something." And then all your lessons are tailored through the lens of building this nonprofit, math for nonprofits, governance for nonprofits, spelling and English literature, history of all this [ __ ] or whatever. It can be more diversified based on liberal arts cuz I think that's another part of the whole thing. But imagine if like your junior high and high school, you end with this

19:47digital portfolio, this knowledge base that I just said, of all your writings, your daily explanations. Like, the best assignments I've heard teachers give right now are having students in class or orally audit AI outputs. Be like, here's the book report, here's five different summaries of the book report. Now, student critique the five different summaries from the AIs and tell me which one you identify with the most and why or something like that.

20:12Um, so like, what if all that make-work project ended up in a portfolio? And what if like at the end of each year the teacher didn't flush all knowledge of that person down the toilet, but it carried over a summer, compounded upon it? Like, that's one of my unlocks of the AI world is that through Matt Lambert, are you here? He's not here. Ah, damn. Matt has come up with this really interesting concept around looping and iteration. And um through this looping iteration process, we build like compounding skills and knowledge, but not just that.

20:45And I'm going to get there, but I'll just maybe give it now cuz it's natural and skip those slides later. These human taste, judgment, critical thinking, some stuff like that. It's a pretty short list. I think that's what we got left and I think it's an area to focus on, right? And then you're like, well, if it's an area to focus on and you're 44 and you got a 49, you got those things already. How do I get it for my 14-year-old? And it's like, well, AI allows us to loop really fast. Like to test a bunch of ideas, to get feedback on them in different ways, to iterate upon those things in a way that was like

21:16not possible before. I feel like I shortchanged the whole photographic eye development process because of the my adoption of digital social media technology really early. Like, all my peers would photograph stuff on film, get the film developed, send it to their editor, the guy would edit it, put it in a magazine, the magazine get published, somebody had good or negative feedback, they write a letter to the editor. 6 months afterwards, a photographer would get close the loop of feedback on that thing.

21:47Well, through adoption of Flickr on the day that it started, I started posting photos every day, getting comments every day, receiving those, shooting tomorrow and doing the whole loop again. And so, what used to take you 25 years to become a master, I I became a master in five. Because I shot every day and just did this iterative iterative looping. As long as you're not handing over the decision-making of what is good to the AI. Agreed. Well, I just told you that I think the decision-making about what is good is what we got left. And I think it's where we should focus. I think it's how we should look at ourselves as creatives. Let's hit it cuz we're Oh,

22:19we're getting getting there. So, I mean, at first they said DJs were losers stealing other people's music, that they weren't original, there was nothing creative about it. And then we saw whole genres emerge, whole new art forms emerge. And hit it, Kev. And this hearkens me back to one of my favorite documentaries of all time called RIP: A Remix Manifesto, made by Brett Gaylor on in Victoria, funded by the NFB.

22:44And this is what that was based on in 2006. I'll let you read it. Um what we saw was as our understanding of these tools changed, that new expressions and and art forms emerged. And so, I think that that is probably where we're we're headed. I want to give you a little taste of this film and why I like it.

23:03Um, Darb, will you hit the bottom light?

23:12>> [music] >> Whether or not you think this music is original isn't the point because the rules of this game don't depend on who made the songs. They depend on who owns the copyright. And according to the people that do, sampling even a single note is grounds for a lawsuit. That means these kids should not be dancing.

23:35And you shouldn't be watching because using these songs in my movie is against the rules, too. And the fact that there are people out there calling my favorite artist a criminal is exactly why I need to make this film. 20 years have passed, but like in many ways we're right in the same moment.

23:55Darb, second light from the top, please. Um here we are again trying to figure out like, is it original? Someone else talked about a remix of a remix of a remix, you know? And and so, it remains to be determined, I think, where we're going with this stuff ultimately. Um, are you guys enjoying this? Yeah.

24:14Cool. I'm going to take you on a little trip further then and then we will turn it over to the rest of the night. So, I'm going to show you two clips that rocked my [ __ ] world like a year and a half ago and I think you'll see why. The first one's talking about writing as a way to get our ideas into the bots.

24:31Or sorry, the second one's about writing as a way to get in the bots. The first one is about that, figuring out our unique, special, creative, human place we should focus as all these bots get good at making all sorts of synthetic everything. Darb, you bottom light, please. Roll it, Kev. This guy who he's about to you're about to see him, he works for OpenAI and he has to disguise his voice and his face. And so, it's a real human. He's one of the preeminent preeminent AI researchers in the whole wide world and disguising his voice via AI.

25:00So, you wrote an interesting comment about getting your work into the LLM training corpus. You wrote, quote, there has never been a more vital hingy time to write. And I'm wondering whether you mean that in the sense of you are going to be this drop in the bucket that's steering the Shoggoth one way or another, or do you mean it in the sense of making sure your values and persona persist somewhere in latent space?

25:30I mean both. Um, you know, I think by writing you're voting on the future of the Shoggoth using some of the few currencies it acknowledges. Right, like tokens that it has to predict. If you aren't writing, you're kind of abdicating the future, abdicating your role in it. If you think it's enough to just be a good citizen, to vote for your favorite politician, you know, to pick up litter and recycle, the future doesn't care about you. There ways to influence the Shoggoth more, but not many. Um, and if you don't already occupy a handful of key roles or work at a frontier lab, your influence basically rounds off to zero, I think, far more than ever before. There are [snorts]

26:06values you have which are not expressed yet in text. And if there are things that you like or want, if they aren't reflected online, then to the AI they basically don't exist. Um, and that is dangerously close to won't exist. Mhm. Um, you're also creating a sort of immortality for yourself personally, right? Like, you aren't just creating a persona, you are creating your future self, too, right? What self are you showing the LLMs and how will they treat you in the future?

26:35Um, anyway, what this has encouraged me to do is to go into this knowledge-based creation mode that I was talking about before, where I'm writing and speaking my ideas out, specifically preferences, how I make or why I make decisions, um things that I think are beautiful and why and stuff like that. The real kind of like soft skills around that stuff.

26:56As a way to imbue those values into whatever this future future thing is coming. I found this really confronting, right? Cuz I Does anyone in here work for a foundational lab? I don't. So, I mean, he's like, yo, if you don't work for a foundational lab, your influence, your ability to have agency in the future rounds off to more or less zero. And like And like the only way you can kind of control your own little personal sphere is through, you know, like the creation of the, you know, writing out your ideas, getting your things out of your heart and your head and into the world, especially if it's not documented somewhere else.

27:27Pretty pretty crazy to me. Um, where we at, Kevin? All right. Um, let's just blast into the next clip. Now that you know that AI is a thing that is coming, but basically what's your thinking around how you how you see your role in this timeline and also what your how you're thinking about how to spend these next few years. Yeah, I've been thinking about that uh quite a lot.

27:53What what do I want to do, you know? And and what would be useful to do? I'm doing things now because I want to do them, um regardless of whether it would be possible for an AI to do them in like 3 years. I I do something because I want to, because I like it, you know, I find it funny or whatever. Um, or maybe I think carefully about kind of just doing the human part of it, like laying out a proposal or something. Um, if you take seriously the idea of getting AGI in just a few years, you don't necessarily have to implement stuff and do it yourself.

28:27You can sketch out clearly like what you want and why it would be good and then how to do it. And then basically just wait for the better AGI to come along and actually do it then. Unless, you know, there's some really compelling reason to do it right now and pay the cost in terms of scarce time.

28:48But otherwise, I'm trying to write more about what isn't recorded. Things like preferences and and desires and evaluations and judgments. Things that a an AI couldn't replace even in principle. The way I like to put it is that the AI kind of can't eat ice cream for you. Right, it can't decide for you which kind of ice cream you like.

29:11Only you can do that. And if anything else did, it would just be worthless, basically. Because it's not your particular preference. That's kind of the rubric for me. Right, like, is this something that I want to do regardless of any future AI because I enjoy it, or is it something where I'm doing only the human part of it, maybe, and the AGI can later on do it.

29:35Or is this writing down something that's unwritten today and thus helping kind of the future AI versions of me. So, if it doesn't fall into one of those three, I've been trying to basic These clips kind of keep getting cut off, but it's no big deal. Um Second life darts. I mean, isn't that crazy? I found that another confronting idea is like don't waste your time doing anything right now. Instead, get these ideas out of you and into the world and then, you know, there'll be some days be these AIs that can just like do it in you know, in an afternoon just spin up some virtual workers in an Nvidia factory and boom, you've got your whole

30:09company built in a day. Um so anyway, this is the type of stuff that I has been inspiring me that I've been reflecting on and trying to share through some of the things we're doing Um You know, I'm watching AI come and kick over the table in almost every single industry right now. And so, a lot of us coming together here is kind of building a lifeboat. It's really pretty kind of hard to see where things are going, but I believe that we're stronger together than we are on our own, especially if we can articulate a vision for the economy here in BC around the creative industries and some of this other stuff. Um I think that we have

30:43gained voice and a lot of recognition. Um people are listening looking to us. This isn't going on in every city. This is not going on anywhere There's one There's a one interesting thing going on in Toronto that brings in ethics and governance and creativity and performance and other things, but this is a really unique take. This both hands full holding it to account on one hand while exploring the possibilities on another.

31:04Um You can just blast me on through. Oh, this is where I talked about looping earlier. Matt Locke's going to come back. He's got a whole process he's developing for developing intuition, for developing these soft skills that I thought previously were the realm of like privileged liberal arts educations or whatever. This is how you you know, through having a great network and going to 10 years of school, you develop these types of things or whatever. Well, he's got some ways to use AI to shortcut that process that can inspire the youths, I think.

31:35Got one more message here for the most skeptical in the room. Thanks for being here. That means you're my people. It's the folks that are opting out and burying the head in the sand that I think are problem because we need the most critical voices in the room at the table. And if those people don't demand a seat at the table that's deciding the future, all the seats going to be taken up by the hypers, by the tech bros, by the Silicon Valley elite, and everyone else who's trying to push an agenda as it relates to this stuff. So, please, if you're skeptical, if you're critical, you're welcome here. Raise your voice and demand your seat at the table.

32:09That's it. All right. Thank you very much. Um >> [applause] >> Thanks for letting me go first. I always cut my keynote off at the end to to let other people go, but you know, um I want to say thank you to everybody for last month. We've done this 27 months in a row, and last month was the first month I wasn't here, and it happened awesome anyway. And that was by design. We grow in many different dimensions right now, and and I'll try not to be a bottleneck.

32:33So, thanks to Kevin and Loki and everybody else who Alex and who made this kind of the stuff happen last month. >> [applause]