Mind, AI & ConsciousnessDeep Dive #2Post-event recap

Belief, Free Will, Agency & Goal-Setting

The Breakthrough Event

Date
May 22, 2025
Location
Vancouver
Attendance
20 people

Central question

Do we have free will, or are we deterministic information processors?

Key debates

  • Sam Harris (hard determinism) vs Lee Cronin (free will exists) vs Dennett (compatibilism)
  • If free will is an illusion, is moral responsibility also an illusion?
  • Can AI have agency without consciousness?

Readings

  • WebFree Will (Wikipedia) · Various
  • PodcastWe Really Don't Have Free Will (Podcast #360) · Sam Harris
  • VideoLee Cronin vs Sam Harris (Lex Fridman) · Lex Fridman
  • BookDetermined: A Science of Life without Free Will · Robert Sapolsky
  • BookFreedom Evolves · Daniel Dennett

Where the room landed

No consensus on free will, but deeper question emerged: Maybe free will is the wrong question. Focus on agency, goals, and prediction error instead.

#free-will#agency#determinism#consciousness

Try it yourself · 4 interactive

Walk through the experiments from this session

These widgets turn the session questions into thought experiments. They are not evidence of room consensus. State stays in your browser.

Replicate the 1980s readiness-potential study. Click when you decide to. Your brain decided before you knew.

The Libet Experiment

Your brain decides before "you" do. Watch the clock, press whenever you want, then report when you first felt the urge to press.

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Trial 1 of 3

Watch the dot spin around the clock. Press the button whenever you feel the urge. Then report where the dot was when you first decided to press.

Libet (1983): Found that brain activity (the "readiness potential") begins ~550ms before the action, but subjects report "deciding" only ~200ms before. The conscious "decision" comes after the brain has already started. What then is the role of consciousness? Perhaps we have a "veto power": we can't initiate, but we can inhibit.

The recap

Record status: Completed-session recap synthesized from the organizer archive and public reading list. It uses no participant quotations or attributed views.

From Free Will to Agency

Deep Dive #2 put hard determinism, compatibilism, and stronger accounts of choice into the same room. The argument did not settle whether human decisions escape prior causes. It did expose a more operational question: what capacities make an organism or system meaningfully agentic?

Where the Inquiry Shifted

The discussion moved toward goals, reasons, prediction error, self-modification, and responsiveness to consequences. Those features do not prove metaphysical freedom or subjective experience, but they give clearer ways to compare people, animals, institutions, and artificial systems.

Moral responsibility remained the pressure point. If behaviour is caused, communities still have to decide how accountability, rehabilitation, incentives, and care should work.

Questions That Continued

  1. Can agency exist without consciousness?
  2. Does acting for reasons differ from executing an objective?
  3. What would count as an artificial system setting rather than inheriting a goal?

Source Boundary

This recap preserves the session's conceptual movement without publishing participant messages, names, or quotations.

Public Sources

  • Determined by Robert Sapolsky
  • Freedom Evolves by Daniel Dennett
  • The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch

Photos coming

MAC sessions ran small (~20 people, Chatham House rules). Where event photos surface, they'll be embedded here.

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Go deeper

The MAC microsite has the interactive version

We built a separate interactive site for this series, with visualizations, thought experiments, and a glossary of consciousness terms. It's the full deep-dive experience for this session.

For #2: try LibetExperiment, DeterminismDominos, AgencySpectrum, and more.

Explore the interactive deep-dive